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thin people dont understand physics and the calories in/calories out concept

like my metabolism is super fucking slow so i retain a lot of fat, so what?

the health problems lie with cholesterol, which, by the way, is not “most present in fat people”. skinny people tend to have higher cholesterol bc they dont watch what they eat

why is cholesterol a problem? it causes plaque to build up in your capillaries, putting extra strain on them and thinning them out, which can cause blood clots

weight itself can be a factor in musculo-skeletal problems, such as back/joint pain and additional stress on the heart (which is mainly, again, due to cholesterol and not weight, but having extra fat around your heart is Bad), but skinny people get all of these problems too

dont come around here w/ your fucking fatphobia, ive lived through it all and i know whats what

Overweight individuals are far more likely to have high cholesterol than those who are average or underweight. Obesity ought to be taken seriously as the life threatening issue that it is.

u wanna back that up son

is it just me or do people regularly mix up being fat with being 50st morbidly obese because there’s a real big diff there

Just want to tack on that I had significantly higher cholesterol when I was underweight than I do now, when I technically fall into the obese category on the BMI.

I am FAT. I have exactly one health problem because of it. Sleep apnea. The doc is fairly confident that if I lose weight it will go away. BUT given that my skinny grandmother and mother both have it, even that’s not guaranteed.

So keep pushing that all FAT people are unhealthy dude. It just isn’t true.

Actually, the doctor who did the biggest study to try and prove that losing weight cures apnea recently admitted that he falsified his data. So your doctor is wrong. My sleep doctor says that in almost two decades of treating sleep disorders, she has literally never seen weight loss change someone’s apnea.

And here’s the thing. Constantly repeating “but fat is unhealthy!” is meaningless. There have always been fat people. There will always be fat people. Not everyone is fat for the same reasons. Dieting and exercise, the most touted “remedies” to being fat, fail 95% of the time. Where else in medicine do doctors keep recommending something with that high a failure rate?

And the whole “but I’m GOOD fat, I’m healthy, not like those morbidly obese people!” division is likewise bullshit. What you’re saying is that YOU don’t deserve body shaming and bad treatment, but people fatter than you do.

Y’all. I’m really fucking fat, okay? I do have health issues. Thankfully, I have a doctor who recognizes that I can’t just “stop being fat”, and treats those issues. Would some of my issues go away if I lost weight? Sure. Would the big ones (sleep apnea, depression, PCOS)? The data says no. In fact, the data says that those big issues are most likely part of the reason why I’m fat. (The first person who yells “personal responsibility” is gonna get blocked so damn fast.) 

This is the body I’ve got. I don’t deserve to be shamed for it. I don’t deserve to be treated as less than human for it. I deserve to take care of it to the best of my ability, just like everybody else.

Turns out cholesterol probably has nothing to do with heart disease either.

And almost anytime someone is academically honest about the data, they have to admit that the fat/health issue relationship is correlation, not causation. Obesity and many health issues certainly go hand in hand, but in almost every case, it’s an assumption that obesity comes first.  And as more studies zero in on that question, it’s looking increasingly like issues like diabetes, sleep apnea and other sleep disorders, PCOS, etc. etc. etc. go the other way around: they cause you to put on weight, not vice versa.

And yet we still insist on stigmatizing fat.  Because we can see it, and because the hatred of fat, especially in women, has never really been about health.  It’s always been about beauty standards.

There IS an obesity epidemic in the US, and increasingly elsewhere.  But the fault doesn’t lie with the obese people who, for the most part, can battle with daily ferocity to lose and keep weight off and still end up with little to show for it.  It’s not a secret at this point that there are systemic problems with the foods that are being made available to people, about the expectations being placed on us (listicles might tell us health is our priority, but our employers seldom do), about the spaces and time (or lack thereof) we’re being alloted in order to prioritize our health, and about the medical establishment that despite the data refuses to look for or treat the causes of obesity, which are the real problems threatening peoples’ health in the first place.

At the very least, it’d be nice to see more appreciation that for many people, overcoming their obesity requires nothing less than a largely unaided quest to uncover the realities of their personal health situation, followed by a tectonic shift in their entire way of living AND that of their friends and families–because if the people you live with refuse to support your changes, they will try (knowingly or not) to drag you back into their own comfortable routines.  (PS these changes also tend to require changes to your cash flow.)

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